"Upon mutual agreement, results for this scrimmage were not kept."

[rowing]

In so many ways......there are no winners here.

[Mandolorian]

Scrimmages are workouts, not races, and therefore there are no definitive results and pretending there are defeats the purpose of them. Scrimmages are run by coaches, often times at controlled rates, and rarely over a defined course with start and finish lines. In addition to that, coaches are using them to try different lineups, tactics, etc. So to say one crew is better than another from a scrimmage is questionable. Scrimmages are simply a practice with another team there, nothing more, nothing less. But to say there are no winners is inaccurate. In the end the winners are the coaches and athletes who learn and grow from the experience and will be faster when they are actually racing.

[rowing]

Branding it on social media as "Race Day" and fluffing with "Time to race the XXXXXs!" seems.....disingenuous.

[fullmetal]

Neither the first time nor the last time this will happen. /shrug

[rowing]

We know this. We all know this. But never normalize it.

Always shame it, especially with any teams that may ask the benefit of the doubt at some point in the long selection journey. How can you legitimately ask for the benefit of the doubt when you have a published history of *CONSPIRING* to hide the reasons for doubt?

Yeah, yeah, yeah....overreacting, drama, drama, drama. Whatever. $h!t teams deserve $h!t treatment.

[Slim]

If you want to shame you gotta name.

[rowing]

Shame the act first.

Then get the pliers and blowtorch.

[FullSend]

Hiding scrimmage results hits me the same as national teams that embargo erg scores and trails results. It's fun information to help drive any amount of interest in conversation in the sport and then benefit is coaches don't have to answer questions they might not like. Who cares if you were trying different lineups, put it in the notes with the weather.

I think anyone who actually cares to look at scrimmage results understands what a scrimmage is (including the people that do NCAA selection/seeding)

[rowing]

Unlike basketball or football, rowing does not get the game by game season pushback from ADs. Is that BECAUSE of outcomes obfuscation along the way? Or is rowing culture just irrevocably final regatta focused? Is that compatible with AD thinking?

Basically, aside from a few dastardly ADs or deserving coach misbehavior, the guillotine rarely falls until the season is well over, and often that limits who can apply and be considered. Does that warp the employment mobility realities for the up'n'comers?

[Slim]

Unlike basketball or football, rowing does not get the game by game season pushback from ADs. Is that BECAUSE of outcomes obfuscation along the way? Or is rowing culture just irrevocably final regatta focused? Is that compatible with AD thinking?

Basically, aside from a few dastardly ADs or deserving coach misbehavior, the guillotine rarely falls until the season is well over, and often that limits who can apply and be considered. Does that warp the employment mobility realities for the up'n'comers?

The game to game pushback are really limited to the revenue sports. Almost all of "Olympic sports" are judged on a performance against the biggest rival, conference results, and post season performance. Also worth noting that almost all ADs are looking to hire head coaches with a track record of success as opposed to up and coming assistant coaches who are seen as a big gamble. This means most hiring happens after the post season when those successful head coaches are available.

[okayrower]

Plenty of NFL teams have joint practices with another during training camp. Results aren’t posted although some general comments might be given. It’s the same thing with a rowing scrimmage, and we should have no issue with coaches keeping the details of their practice in house.

[lt.wolf]

Is there an official date for when the NCAA season begins and races become official?

[TheNatureBoy]

Is there an official date for when the NCAA season begins and races become official?

Paging BZ…..

[bz]

Rowing teams cannot have their first competition (game or scrimmage) until September 7 or the first day of fall term classes, whichever comes earlier. Teams are limited to 20 dates of competition, which includes both official races with posted results and scrimmages / joint practices regardless of whether or not those results are reported. There is no rule that addresses when teams can start official 2000 meter races whose results will be considered for NCAA championship selection. From a practical point of view, I suppose some teams could start racing 2ks in February, but mostly they start in March. Keep in mind that late season race results weigh more heavily in NCAA selection.

Bill Zack