Chris Froome cleared by WADA & UCI

[rowingtech09]

Exactly

And now you can see how Froome can burst from the pack and take them out on a steep climb and his pulse goes up 2-3 pips....

The cyclists swap bikes following “failures” or crashes so that the bike they finish with isn’t the bike they start with. All sorts of crap and the UCI are not particularly interested

I’ve said before in a sport where ounces count SKY have a reputation for having heavy bikes......why?

I love how you start with the conclusion and then everything is justified in terms of potential doping/motors/etc. If you knew anything about cycling you'd know that bike weight actually isn't that important. +/- a few hundred grams isn't a big deal when you can make big gains in aerodynamics and stiffness. You'd also know that swapping bikes is obviously the only way to go following a crash - carbon can be severely compromised and it's not as if there's time to check that everything is working properly. And of course when Froome attacks at the end of a grueling 2-week race it can't possibly be that he has a bit more in the tank than some of his fellow competitors, right?

[KitD]

Something I learned elsewhere that hadn't occurred to me was the extent to which sponsors demands to keep their logos in front of the cameras can interfere with your race plan, requiring breakaways when you should be protecting your GC rider. When you've got Sky's money, that doesn't bother you. The whole team is focussed on carrying one guy, who tends to be in much better shape in the last few days than his rivals as a result.

[Stewie Griffin Should Cox]

Exactly

And now you can see how Froome can burst from the pack and take them out on a steep climb and his pulse goes up 2-3 pips....

The cyclists swap bikes following “failures” or crashes so that the bike they finish with isn’t the bike they start with. All sorts of crap and the UCI are not particularly interested

I’ve said before in a sport where ounces count SKY have a reputation for having heavy bikes......why?

I love how you start with the conclusion and then everything is justified in terms of potential doping/motors/etc. If you knew anything about cycling you'd know that bike weight actually isn't that important. +/- a few hundred grams isn't a big deal when you can make big gains in aerodynamics and stiffness. You'd also know that swapping bikes is obviously the only way to go following a crash - carbon can be severely compromised and it's not as if there's time to check that everything is working properly. And of course when Froome attacks at the end of a grueling 2-week race it can't possibly be that he has a bit more in the tank than some of his fellow competitors, right?

Bike weight may not be important in the sense that you suggest. But SKY had the HEAVIEST bikes. And you make the assumption that they are at the cutting edge of everything beyond the other teams.

This is the big joke. SKY's Marginal Gains. They speak as if no on else trains as hard, that their fluffy pillows make all the difference, Froomes wife controls his diet and that in 2018 every other team has the sophistication of a 1996 team.

I do not believe these teams are now blood doping in the EPO sense. I believe they are using drugs to lose weight and other drugs to maintain power while using weight and I think they believe this is indeed not against the laws of the sport.

It is without any doubt however that motors have been used by professional cycle teams.

[singlesculler]

Great Freakonomics podcast came out last week, Lance Armstrong. http://freakonomics.com/podcast/lance-armstrong/
Also the week before was pretty good too: "Why We Choke Under Pressure (and How Not To)" http://freakonomics.com/podcast/choking/
Enjoy!

[fullmetal]

But SKY had the HEAVIEST bikes. And you make the assumption that they are at the cutting edge of everything beyond the other teams.

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It is without any doubt however that motors have been used by professional cycle teams.

Li-ion / Li-po batteries can be pretty heavy The heavier, the longer they last -- energy density and all that jazz...gotta carry enough juice to make the induction motors worth lugging about.

[rowingtech09]

Exactly

And now you can see how Froome can burst from the pack and take them out on a steep climb and his pulse goes up 2-3 pips....

The cyclists swap bikes following “failures” or crashes so that the bike they finish with isn’t the bike they start with. All sorts of crap and the UCI are not particularly interested

I’ve said before in a sport where ounces count SKY have a reputation for having heavy bikes......why?

I love how you start with the conclusion and then everything is justified in terms of potential doping/motors/etc. If you knew anything about cycling you'd know that bike weight actually isn't that important. +/- a few hundred grams isn't a big deal when you can make big gains in aerodynamics and stiffness. You'd also know that swapping bikes is obviously the only way to go following a crash - carbon can be severely compromised and it's not as if there's time to check that everything is working properly. And of course when Froome attacks at the end of a grueling 2-week race it can't possibly be that he has a bit more in the tank than some of his fellow competitors, right?

Bike weight may not be important in the sense that you suggest. But SKY had the HEAVIEST bikes. And you make the assumption that they are at the cutting edge of everything beyond the other teams.

This is the big joke. SKY's Marginal Gains. They speak as if no on else trains as hard, that their fluffy pillows make all the difference, Froomes wife controls his diet and that in 2018 every other team has the sophistication of a 1996 team.

I do not believe these teams are now blood doping in the EPO sense. I believe they are using drugs to lose weight and other drugs to maintain power while using weight and I think they believe this is indeed not against the laws of the sport.

It is without any doubt however that motors have been used by professional cycle teams.

How much heavier are we talking here? Where are your numbers coming from?

You also make it out as if it's impossible for a rider/team to rattle off a string of victories in the Tour. Historically that's happened a number of times. It helps that Sky have had an incredibly stacked lineup - Froome has had a future Tour winner pulling for him for the past few years, just think about it.

I do think some of the stuff you're saying is plausible (weight loss drugs, etc.), Sky have definitely cut corners in the past as with TUEs, and they've proven themselves willing to bend the laws, but at this point you're just speculating. And to jump from that to "they have motors in their bikes" is just a wild conspiracy theory.

[Stewie Griffin Should Cox]

https://cycling.today/mechanical-doping ... 2015-tour/

The UCI WOULD NOT LET THE FRENCH INSPECT THE BIKES!!!!

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This ain't no conspiracy. The evidence these guys put together is compelling and they catch out conflicting comments and impossible explanations from Brailsford and Wigging. They are either PhD'S or ex Pro cycists. There are plenty more

[eeoyre]

Unless this was an uphill TT, this is pretty weak evidence. Weight matters far less for TT bikes than for road bikes. In a team trial (which I think this was), it probably matters even less. Sky might be mechanical doping, but this doesn't come close to proving it.

[Stewie Griffin Should Cox]

Unless this was an uphill TT, this is pretty weak evidence. Weight matters far less for TT bikes than for road bikes. In a team trial (which I think this was), it probably matters even less. Sky might be mechanical doping, but this doesn't come close to proving it.

Weight doesnt matter but why be heaviest? And as we have suggested 20-30 watts makes all the difference on a TT.

Gosh you know I wish we could go dredge up all those old Lance Armstrong debates.....The deja vue is intense.

[eeoyre]

Unless this was an uphill TT, this is pretty weak evidence. Weight matters far less for TT bikes than for road bikes. In a team trial (which I think this was), it probably matters even less. Sky might be mechanical doping, but this doesn't come close to proving it.

Weight doesnt matter but why be heaviest? And as we have suggested 20-30 watts makes all the difference on a TT.

Gosh you know I wish we could go dredge up all those old Lance Armstrong debates.....The deja vue is intense.

Well, for one, they do 3D print custom titanium aerobars for their riders. All I am saying is that you can't use that weight difference as proof. Not arguing if they are doping mechanically or otherwise. I've given up on clean cycling a long time ago.

[rowingtech09]

https://cycling.today/mechanical-doping ... 2015-tour/

The UCI WOULD NOT LET THE FRENCH INSPECT THE BIKES!!!!

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This ain't no conspiracy. The evidence these guys put together is compelling and they catch out conflicting comments and impossible explanations from Brailsford and Wigging. They are either PhD'S or ex Pro cycists. There are plenty more

Just...lol. Anonymous French official claims that Sky's TT bikes are 800g more than everyone else's. I'm not even necessarily doubting it's false, it's just that you're effectively linking me to a blog that is reporting hearsay.

You're also betraying your lack of knowledge by suggesting that 800g equates to anywhere close to 20 or 30W on a flat TT.

Just because cycling is/has been dirty, and Sky bends the rules, doesn't mean we should just check our common sense in evaluating claims (sources, evidence, etc.) and believe anything anyone claims at any given time.

[Stewie Griffin Should Cox]

https://cycling.today/mechanical-doping ... 2015-tour/

The UCI WOULD NOT LET THE FRENCH INSPECT THE BIKES!!!!

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https://twitter.com/DominantDomest1
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This ain't no conspiracy. The evidence these guys put together is compelling and they catch out conflicting comments and impossible explanations from Brailsford and Wigging. They are either PhD'S or ex Pro cycists. There are plenty more

Just...lol. Anonymous French official claims that Sky's TT bikes are 800g more than everyone else's. I'm not even necessarily doubting it's false, it's just that you're effectively linking me to a blog that is reporting hearsay.

You're also betraying your lack of knowledge by suggesting that 800g equates to anywhere close to 20 or 30W on a flat TT.

Just because cycling is/has been dirty, and Sky bends the rules, doesn't mean we should just check our common sense in evaluating claims (sources, evidence, etc.) and believe anything anyone claims at any given time.

You are missing the point. The 800g does not equate to 20/30 w. It potentially accounts for the hub motor that provides the watts.

I could refer you to clear video evidence of motorized doping but your cynicism would suggest I would be wasting my time.

[eeoyre]

https://cycling.today/mechanical-doping ... 2015-tour/

The UCI WOULD NOT LET THE FRENCH INSPECT THE BIKES!!!!

Follow on Twitter

https://twitter.com/Digger_forum
https://twitter.com/DominantDomest1
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This ain't no conspiracy. The evidence these guys put together is compelling and they catch out conflicting comments and impossible explanations from Brailsford and Wigging. They are either PhD'S or ex Pro cycists. There are plenty more

Just...lol. Anonymous French official claims that Sky's TT bikes are 800g more than everyone else's. I'm not even necessarily doubting it's false, it's just that you're effectively linking me to a blog that is reporting hearsay.

You're also betraying your lack of knowledge by suggesting that 800g equates to anywhere close to 20 or 30W on a flat TT.

Just because cycling is/has been dirty, and Sky bends the rules, doesn't mean we should just check our common sense in evaluating claims (sources, evidence, etc.) and believe anything anyone claims at any given time.

You are missing the point. The 800g does not equate to 20/30 w. It potentially accounts for the hub motor that provides the watts.

I could refer you to clear video evidence of motorized doping but your cynicism would suggest I would be wasting my time.

Seems like you are burying the headline if you have video evidence of Sky using motorized doping, and are instead trying to convince people with the weight argument, which does not alone prove anything.

[Stewie Griffin Should Cox]

It’s when you add all the data up. The speed of climbs v these done with acknowledged EPO use. (This has an astonishing impact on performance). The watts per KG. And a bunch of other data that suggests what’s being performed is impossible so how it it happening.

Delivery of testosterone patches to SKY doctors which apparently was a mistake?

Remember Lance never got caught. Yes there was a reatrospective A sample positive down by the French but nothing actually positive. And if you say well he pod of the UCI to cover positives, well they were the group who would not allow the Sky bikes to be inspected

Smoke ...fire....

[eeoyre]

Oh yeah, I just think you are not giving them enough credit by pegging them to one method. If we learned anything from Lance and Postal is that they left no stone unturned.