2022 Season

[Slim]

How is it so hard for the livestream to show points standings before the final race?? Commentary acting like it's too hard to make a spreadsheet do basic addition in real time

It’s really not that hard, right? The more it’s a black box, the less suspense and narrative you can create calling the race.

[Mandolorian]

It’s coming down to the varsity 8

Yale and Michigan both lost top rowers

What happened and what boats did they come from. Michigan definitely did not perform the way I would have expected.

[lt.wolf]

Texas wins with 6 Americans in the eight

[asdad123]

It’s coming down to the varsity 8

Yale and Michigan both lost top rowers

That's too bad.

Yale v8 and 2v went the same speed in semis and the finals. Looks like the 2v had a faster time in heats too. Would have been interesting to see them contend in full force.

[Mandolorian]

That was some amazing racing. Tough break for Stanford - bridesmaid again by a tiebreaker, but impressive race for Texas in the V8. The team I was most impressed with though was Princeton. Every boat was in the A final, something I don’t think I would have guessed coming into the regatta.

The other conclusion I come away with is the top three in the Pac12 and Ivies are back up there again. It’s not like they really disappeared, but they certainly owned this regatta. Yales 2V and Princetons V4 wins were really impressive Also a huge congrats to Penn for tremendous results all year and solid finish in the two eights this weekend. Similar sentiments for SMU.

Not sure what happened to the teams from the ACC or Big Ten.

None of the three ACC teams faired well - the lone shining crew being UVA 2V, but Duke and Syracuse lived in the C finals for every event. Maybe that is just a sign that more teams are getting faster, maybe not. But, and this may just be me, it seems to be the trend at least for Duke that they have good early regular season speed, but they don’t really show well at NCAAs (if they make it).

As for the Big Ten, yes Michigan had a bad regatta, and OSU may not be the same OSU of a few years ago (although they did get silver in the 4). But I disagree with Fullmetal on his comment “The Big 10 is floundering….somewhat justifying USC's selection over Indiana”. Yes the top three of the PAC12 were definitely better than the top of the Big Ten, but once you get to #4 in the PAC12 - they are definitely behind the top four of the Big Ten (I am including the unselected Indiana). Indiana straight up beat Rutgers V8 ( and Dukes V8 during the season for that matter), and only lost to their 2V by a second at Big Tens. Those are the same Rutgers crews that just beat Oregon St, USC, Duke and Syracuse. It’s still hard to understand any logic that puts in those crews over Indiana.

Anyway, some really fun racing. It’s great to see three levels of finals all seriously battling it out only seconds apart. It is also great for the sport to see a lot of different crews at the top…and not the same two or three teams all the time. Wonder what crews will step up next year.

[Mandolorian]

It’s coming down to the varsity 8

Yale and Michigan both lost top rowers

That's too bad.

Yale v8 and 2v went the same speed in semis and the finals. Looks like the 2v had a faster time in heats too. Would have been interesting to see them contend in full force.

This was the case all year long. I think he simply had two very fast 2V8s and never could separate the two.

[fullmetal]

V4: Princeton takes the gold, followed by Ohio State (from fourth place at the 1500m), and Texas. From the start, it was Texas, Washington, and Princeton leading the pack, with Ohio State and Stanford trailing together, and then Brown, who didn't seem to have their legs today. The three leaders stayed within a second of each other through the thousand, but now it would be Princeton taking the lead, which they would not relinquish, over Washington and Texas. Ohio State and Stanford followed one second and two seconds back of Texas, respectively. Through the third 500m, the order remained the same, but Washington had burned hard to catch Princeton, and Princeton responded. Ohio State had crept up to just 0.8 sec back of Texas (the announcers whiffed on this move), and Texas was likewise about 0.8 sec back of Washington. The last 500m got crazy. Washington, having given everything they had to catch Princeton, fell from 2nd to 5th place, with a last 500m split of 1:50.1. Ohio State laid down a blistering ~1:43.87 split to almost catch Princeton, who held off the surge to win by 1.2 sec. Texas mustered a 1:45.3 last 500m as Ohio State sprinted through and Washington fell past. The third-place Longhorns still finished 1.36 sec ahead of Stanford in what would be a decisive addition to the points tally later.

Note that Princeton and Ohio State finished second and third behind Stanford in semifinal 2 yesterday with margins of 3.9 sec and 7.2 sec respectively from first place. Today, they finished 3.3 sec and 2.1 sec ahead of Stanford, as Stanford rowed nearly the exact same time they did in the semi (though with a different race profile). Washington's fall to fifth was quite the shock (I did not see any crabs on my jumpy livestream). Princeton's win over Texas reverses a 2.8 sec Texas victory on April 23. Ohio State's 0.72 sec margin over Texas reverses a ~6 sec Texas win on April 30. Princeton's 1.2 sec win over Ohio State reverses a 7.8 sec Ohio State win on March 26. Princeton's press releases are inconsistent, but there were at least three rowers swapped out of their V4 lineup through the season, and that seems to have paid off today.


2V: Yale was the class of this final, leading from start to finish, though it wasn't until the third 500m when they really broke free with about a length over their three-pack with Stanford and Washington. Stanford, in third place through the thousand behind Washington, rowed 1.75 sec faster than the Huskies over the second thousand to claim silver, 2.06 sec behind Yale. Stanford's 1.3 sec margin over Washington reverses a 1.67 Husky win over the Cardinal at the Pac-12 championships. Yale's first thousand was remarkably similar to the first thousand rowed in their semifinal, where they finished 2.5 sec behind Stanford. Texas started a little slower than they did in their semifinal and were already almost three seconds behind Yale at the thousand. Still, no one was matching Yale's ~1:35.5 middle thousand.


1V: Texas likewise jumped out in front and kept extending their lead for a dominating, start to finish victory. The Horns pushed out for a 0.92 sec, 1.28 sec, 1.24 sec, and 1.24 sec lead over the second place boat in each 500m. Princeton was virtually tied with Stanford at the 500m, after which Stanford pulled out a half length lead at the thousand and extended that lead over the second thousand to finish 2.3 sec over Princeton for the silver. In a Pac-12 duel behind Princeton, Washington had a 0.5 sec lead over California at the 500m, which Cal reversed to their favor and held through the 1500m. Washington sprinted for the line, but Cal held them off for a 0.3 sec fourth place finish.

For the second year in a row, Texas' first place in the varsity eights proved to be a decisive tiebreaker over Stanford, as both programs earned 124 pts in racing, giving the Longhorns their second consecutive program championship! Princeton came in third place, and Washington finished fourth in the points totals.

[JD]

It’s coming down to the varsity 8

Yale and Michigan both lost top rowers

That's too bad.

Yale v8 and 2v went the same speed in semis and the finals. Looks like the 2v had a faster time in heats too. Would have been interesting to see them contend in full force.

This was the case all year long. I think he simply had two very fast 2V8s and never could separate the two.

Agreed. The boatings looked the same as when they were at Oak Ridge in March. I couldn’t tell which boat was which, 1V or 2V.

[socalstroke]

Texas wins with 6 Americans in the eight

STN 6
PRI 4
CAL 1
WAS 3
BRO 8

Saw Texas is is selling a national championship rowing shirt. Maybe I don't pay attention but any other schools do this for rowing? https://shop.texassports.com/mens-blue- ... -r0c0:po-0

[sandor]

Texas wins with 6 Americans in the eight

5 Americans rowing though.

Aspa Christodoulidis - GRE
Susanna Temming - NED
Lisa Gutfleisch - GER


All three have represented their country at either Junior worlds, U23 or Senior world championships. 2 have won medals & Gutfleisch is a junior & U23 German champ in the 1x.

[socalstroke]

all the coxswains are American so you can +1 to the other tallies.

[rowing]

Hot take:

Given where things finished, UCF might have been a better final selection than USC.

[dresser]

Hot take:

Given where things finished, UCF might have been a better final selection than USC.

Hotter take:

Given where things finished, USC was more deserving of an at-large bid than both Duke and Syracuse on account of beating them at the regatta.

Also of relevance, USC swept UCF on 4/29.

[fullmetal]

Hot take:

Given where things finished, UCF might have been a better final selection than USC.

https://ucfknights.com/documents/2022/4 ... esults.pdf

[rowing]

Hot take:

Given where things finished, UCF might have been a better final selection than USC.

Hotter take:

Given where things finished, USC was more deserving of an at-large bid than both Duke and Syracuse on account of beating them at the regatta.

Also of relevance, USC swept UCF on 4/29.

Hottest take:

Conference champ performance is supposed to mean something.

Pac12 showed the extra scoop was wasted, but it was never merited in the first place and we know it. ACC really left a stain, but the conference champs didn't indicate such a hard crash coming. Big10 acquitted itself nicely. Indiana should have been there. AAC's lone spot (SMU) landed well, so it makes me wonder if UCF could have better utilized the weekend opportunity.

Is the Pac12 four deep? No. Another conference deserved that extra look. Based on the performance of the last scoops of each, Big10 deserved a fourth slot, or the AAC deserved a second.

CMS% needs to be a thing.