2022 Season

[dresser]

Since you want to continue beating this dead horse because of your irrational loathing of USC. Direct losses by UCF since April 23:

Varsity 8: Penn (2x), Miami, Syracuse (2x), Louisville, USC, Oregon State

2nd Varsity 8: Penn (2x), Clemson (2x), Syracuse (2x), Louisville, USC, Oregon State

Varsity 4: Penn (2x), Syracuse (2x), Clemson, Kansas, Louisville, USC, Iowa, Oregon State

So your hottest take is UCFs performance at AACs, where they lost to SMU by 8, 13, and 9 seconds should completely negate all those other Ls?

[FullSend]

So much focus in this thread on the #18-22 teams is sort of wild.

I was surprised to see Texas that off the mark in the 2V. Seemed like they were flying in heats and semis, maybe should have held back a little more?

[rowing]

Since you want to continue beating this dead horse because of your irrational loathing of USC. Direct losses by UCF since April 23:

Varsity 8: Penn (2x), Miami, Syracuse (2x), Louisville, USC, Oregon State

2nd Varsity 8: Penn (2x), Clemson (2x), Syracuse (2x), Louisville, USC, Oregon State

Varsity 4: Penn (2x), Syracuse (2x), Clemson, Kansas, Louisville, USC, Iowa, Oregon State

So your hottest take is UCFs performance at AACs, where they lost to SMU by 8, 13, and 9 seconds should completely negate all those other Ls?

I do not loathe USC. I question the presumption that the Pac12 perennially deserves the extra extra scoop, and I question whether conference champ performance means as much as they say it does. I think the committee goofed twice this year.

Yes. USC outperformed their seed in Sarasota. Yay. Mostly because Duke and Syracuse underperformed theirs. But that wasn't the original Big10 vs. Pac12 final scoop.

Rutgers stepped up a little and Ohio State held more or less even given the Cal leap. Cal was ranked wrong clearly, but we can still call it a big step up. Oregon State held more or less even, given the Duke/Syracuse drop, but definitely gave it up to Rutgers.

Big10 second at large > Pac12 third at large

That's worth beating a dead horse, IMO, because conference "depth" perception is one eye short. Too much glancing at the past. CMS% could fix that. It would provide a number all could see instead of dubious transitive April race time juggling.

So much focus in this thread on the #18-22 teams is sort of wild.

Inclusion is a hot topic these days. I think the bottom of the Pac12 is coasting on flawed presumptions that cost other conferences the opportunity to improve their recruiting profile.

[rowing]

So much focus in this thread on the #18-22 teams is sort of wild.

Minor correction....18-22 is typically the non-ranked AQ winners

This dead horse has been about the dubious selection logic for 14-17. These are the last ranked at-large selections. They historically involve going to the well too many times for some conferences, or too infrequently a nice gamble on a conference overlooked.

[fullmetal]

Since you want to continue beating this dead horse because of your irrational loathing of USC. Direct losses by UCF since April 23:

Varsity 8: Penn (2x), Miami, Syracuse (2x), Louisville, USC, Oregon State

2nd Varsity 8: Penn (2x), Clemson (2x), Syracuse (2x), Louisville, USC, Oregon State

Varsity 4: Penn (2x), Syracuse (2x), Clemson, Kansas, Louisville, USC, Iowa, Oregon State

So your hottest take is UCFs performance at AACs, where they lost to SMU by 8, 13, and 9 seconds should completely negate all those other Ls?

I think this says it all.

Anyway, it's been well-known that the committee looks at regular season racing in order to generate good cross-conference results from which rankings can be based. This is not new, and that's why all these invitationals have been cropping up lately. If UCF really wanted to get an at-large invite, they probably know that they need to beat a lot of the teams listed above, especially the ones who also didn't get an invite.

[rowing]

UCF was never going to get the invite before Indiana but the ultimate final spread between SMU and Duke lays bare that the extra scoops formula needs some fine tuning.

[Prettyinfiveseat]

Rowing your getting close to 1 in 6 with USC.
And making a string move with Indiana and AAC bid

[rowing]

Rowing your getting close to 1 in 6 with USC.
And making a string move with Indiana and AAC bid

USC was just the program sitting in that extra extra Pac12 slot this year. For a few points here or there, it could have been Oregon State.

There needs to be better differentiation of those final at large spots.

Syracuse and Duke stole the flushing sound this time, but that conference depth question across the board remains valid going forward. At what point do you more accurately and equitably distribute the extra scoops? We may very well be having this same conversation next year, specific programs TBD.

CMS% could fix that, or at least improve the current fruit salad of presumptions and too soon expired cross conference racing and inferred "results".

[FullSend]

This is where I like the idea of a row off. Make USC, IU, UCF, etc race off for the last couple spots and settle it on the water. If they have to peak for last chance who cares? Those teams are just hoping to make NCAAs, it's not like they have Grand Final aspirations that will be dashed by having an extra race the week before.

There has been talk about NCAA basketball having a weekend late in the season where conference play is paused to reserve a spot for bubble teams to play each other and help build resumes. Maybe something like that a week or two before NCAAs? Part of the problem of the current setup is these weird invites where everything is in flights and people don't race everyone else directly

[Withoutmercy]

Bottom line.... if you want to go to the show you have to WIN.

After season crying gets you nowhere.

[TheNatureBoy]

On a different topic; anyone know who the guy was that swam out to the Texas V8 after they won? IIRC, it looks like the same guy who did it last year. Is it some over zealous parent of one of the rowers, because it's not one of the coaches.

[dresser]

On a different topic; anyone know who the guy was that swam out to the Texas V8 after they won? IIRC, it looks like the same guy who did it last year. Is it some over zealous parent of one of the rowers, because it's not one of the coaches.

Matt Knifton, owner of Texas Rowing Center and dad to the Texas V8+ stroke seat.

[rowing]

Bottom line.... if you want to go to the show you have to WIN.

But that's just it....you DON'T have to win, it seems. You just have to have the right seconds and thirds against the other seconds and thirds, or not at all, but on paper, or not. Maybe. Sort of. Who knows? Ah, fcuk it. Just fill in last year's results.

We should be better. So all who come after can say, yeah that was a good tweak.

After season crying gets you nowhere.

Not analyzing outcomes gets you more nowhere, and without a map to boot!

[FullSend]

Bottom line.... if you want to go to the show you have to WIN.

But that's just it....you DON'T have to win, it seems. You just have to have the right seconds and thirds against the other seconds and thirds, or not at all, but on paper, or not. Maybe. Sort of. Who knows? Ah, fcuk it. Just fill in last year's results.

We should be better. So all who come after can say, yeah that was a good tweak.

This is the crux of my annoyance. If we are just eyeballing margins between middle of the pack teams, we may as well just use cMax rankings to pick the teams and take selectors out of it entirely. Give some people some time back in their lives and take out any concerns of subjectivity

[Slim]

Bottom line.... if you want to go to the show you have to WIN.

But that's just it....you DON'T have to win, it seems. You just have to have the right seconds and thirds against the other seconds and thirds, or not at all, but on paper, or not. Maybe. Sort of. Who knows? Ah, fcuk it. Just fill in last year's results.

We should be better. So all who come after can say, yeah that was a good tweak.

This is the crux of my annoyance. If we are just eyeballing margins between middle of the pack teams, we may as well just use cMax rankings to pick the teams and take selectors out of it entirely. Give some people some time back in their lives and take out any concerns of subjectivity

Using CMax would necessarily change how teams race - instead of double duals and invites you'd be back to cup racing.