Henley Royal Regatta rule change

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so entries have been released and from the US there is:
Deerfield Academy
Green Lake
Greenwich
Marin
St Joe's
Salisbury


full list:
The Princess Elizabeth Challenge Cup

Holders: St Paul’s School

214 Abingdon School
215 Bedford Modern School
216 Bedford School
217 Brisbane Boys’ College, Australia
218 Bryanston School
219 Canford School
220 Deerfield Academy, U.S.A.
221 Dulwich College
222 Emanuel School
223 Eton College
224 Great Marlow School
225 Green Lake Crew, U.S.A.
226 Greenwich Crew, U.S.A.
227 Hampton School
228 Kew House School
229 King’s College School, Wimbledon
230 Latymer Upper School
231 Llandaff Rowing Club
232 Marin Rowing Association, U.S.A.
233 Monkton Combe School
234 Monmouth School
235 Mossbourne Community Academy
236 Norwich School
237 Nottingham & Union Rowing Club
238 Pangbourne College
239 Radley College
240 Reading Blue Coat School
241 St. Edward’s School
242 St. George’s College
243 St. Joseph’s Preparatory School, U.S.A.
244 St. Paul’s School
245 Salisbury School, U.S.A.
246 Shiplake College
247 Shrewsbury School
248 Stadtteilschule Alter Teichweg, Hamburg, Germany
249 Stowe Sculling Club
250 The 1863 Club
251 The King’s School, Canterbury
252 The King’s School, Chester
253 The King’s School, Worcester
254 The Windsor Boys’ School
255 Westminster School
256 Winchester College

Total Entries: 43 (2022: 43)
To be reduced to 32 entries by Qualifying Races
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St. Joe's should be made to qualify (but they won't)
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FullSend wrote: Fri Jun 16, 2023 3:30 am St. Joe's should be made to qualify (but they won't)
I don't disagree with you; but winning Stotes usually gets you a free pass. I really wouldn't be shocked if they're a selected crew.
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TheNatureBoy wrote: Fri Jun 16, 2023 3:33 pm
FullSend wrote: Fri Jun 16, 2023 3:30 am St. Joe's should be made to qualify (but they won't)
I don't disagree with you; but winning Stotes usually gets you a free pass. I really wouldn't be shocked if they're a selected crew.
Yes, hopefully they can figure out Deerfield should be selected well before them. I don't have a ton of faith after Winter Park women were made to qualify last year. At least those mens crews were all at youths (other than maybe Salisbury?)
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Salisbury is probably as fast or faster than Prep if all lineups are the same as the regular season (which I don't know is the case) feels like the Stewards can't find results past Youths or Stotes
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FullSend wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 1:27 pm Salisbury is probably as fast or faster than Prep if all lineups are the same as the regular season (which I don't know is the case) feels like the Stewards can't find results past Youths or Stotes
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FullSend maybe let your Prep hate go to sleep. Prep and Greenwich traded races all spring, but all your commentary is on Prep. Have fun behind your laptop.
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And Greenwich wasn't made to qualify either. I used Prep as a reference point, that's all I meant. Referencing results from 2 months ago doesn't do much for me, especially is Youth rowing. Salisbury was 5s off Deerfield at NEIRA and Prep was 7.5s in the Youths semi. It's the most direct comparison I could find, and my point was moreso I think it's dumb Salisbury is qualifying.

I had similar complaints last year about Park women qualifying when Wilson men didn't. Im guessing they just don't like past Youths and maybe stotes. If you aren't at Youths, they're pretty likely to make you qualify it seems like

From those same results you just shared, RARye was 3rd and just won Youths in pretty commanding fashion.
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Salisbury failed to qualify for both the Princess Elizabeth and the Prince Albert.
Deerfield also failed to qualify the Prince Albert 4+
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Draw for the Princess Elizabeth
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Some insight for the crews that US entries will race

Deerfield v Latymer - Made the A-Final of the National School's Champ 8's finishing 7th in an 8 boat final
Green Lake v Shiplake - 6th in the A-Final at Nat Schools
Dulwich v Marin - 2nd in the B-Final of Nat Schools
Eton v Greenwich - Nat Schools bronze medallists
Bradley v st Joes - 4th at Nat Schools
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fatsculler wrote: Sat Jun 24, 2023 7:30 am
Deerfield v Latymer - Made the A-Final of the National School's Champ 8's finishing 7th in an 8 boat final
Green Lake v Shiplake - 6th in the A-Final at Nat Schools
Dulwich v Marin - 2nd in the B-Final of Nat Schools
Eton v Greenwich - Nat Schools bronze medallists
Bradley v st Joes - 4th at Nat Schools
Deerfield v Latymer will be telling. Deerfield is probably the quickest scholastic entry in a minute, but Salisbury failing to qualify would appear not to bode well for a lot of the US crews. I'd take Deerfield, Youths and Nat Schools don't seem to be terribly far off in speed.

Shiplake > Green Lake
Marin > Dulwich
Eton > Greenwich
Radley > St Joes

Tough draws for Greenwich and St Joes in particular. Some draws might have gotten them to Friday, but It'll be a tough go in round 1
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FullSend wrote: Sat Jun 24, 2023 10:19 am
fatsculler wrote: Sat Jun 24, 2023 7:30 am
Deerfield v Latymer - Made the A-Final of the National School's Champ 8's finishing 7th in an 8 boat final
Green Lake v Shiplake - 6th in the A-Final at Nat Schools
Dulwich v Marin - 2nd in the B-Final of Nat Schools
Eton v Greenwich - Nat Schools bronze medallists
Bradley v st Joes - 4th at Nat Schools
Deerfield v Latymer will be telling. Deerfield is probably the quickest scholastic entry in a minute, but Salisbury failing to qualify would appear not to bode well for a lot of the US crews. I'd take Deerfield, Youths and Nat Schools don't seem to be terribly far off in speed.

Shiplake > Green Lake
Marin > Dulwich
Eton > Greenwich
Radley > St Joes

Tough draws for Greenwich and St Joes in particular. Some draws might have gotten them to Friday, but It'll be a tough go in round 1
How many 19 year old PGs did Salisbury have this year that were ineligible to compete in the PE at Henley? Have to assume that their 8 that failed to qualify has a different lineup from what they raced this spring.
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mellowjohnny wrote: Sat Jun 24, 2023 10:57 am
FullSend wrote: Sat Jun 24, 2023 10:19 am
fatsculler wrote: Sat Jun 24, 2023 7:30 am
Deerfield v Latymer - Made the A-Final of the National School's Champ 8's finishing 7th in an 8 boat final
Green Lake v Shiplake - 6th in the A-Final at Nat Schools
Dulwich v Marin - 2nd in the B-Final of Nat Schools
Eton v Greenwich - Nat Schools bronze medallists
Bradley v st Joes - 4th at Nat Schools
Deerfield v Latymer will be telling. Deerfield is probably the quickest scholastic entry in a minute, but Salisbury failing to qualify would appear not to bode well for a lot of the US crews. I'd take Deerfield, Youths and Nat Schools don't seem to be terribly far off in speed.

Shiplake > Green Lake
Marin > Dulwich
Eton > Greenwich
Radley > St Joes

Tough draws for Greenwich and St Joes in particular. Some draws might have gotten them to Friday, but It'll be a tough go in round 1
How many 19 year old PGs did Salisbury have this year that were ineligible to compete in the PE at Henley? Have to assume that their 8 that failed to qualify has a different lineup from what they raced this spring.
Comparing the line up at HRR with the one at NEIRA Salisbury has a couple of guys from their 1V and the rest from the 2V
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Thanks for the work Fats, good information. Two reasons to go Henley: to race/win OR to see/measure/develop. Looks like the latter for Salisbury.
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fatsculler wrote: Sat Jun 24, 2023 11:51 am Comparing the line up at HRR with the one at NEIRA Salisbury has a couple of guys from their 1V and the rest from the 2V
Any idea on Deerfield?
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